Monday, January 05, 2009

Runcore 1.8 inch SSD on HP Mini 1000 netbook


HP Mini flying!

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Good? With these prices ( $69 for 16GB, $119 for 32GB etc ) these SSDs are super good for mobile computing!

Speedtests on HP Mini's original drives

You can get yours from MDD







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195 comments:

elipsoid said...

Beautiful, thank you JKK. I am really considering getting one for my Mini.

JLM said...

Great Test!!!!!!!!!!!
USB on production series? Fabulous!!!!
Need to install drivers for Runcore 1,8 or 2,5 or Pci-e SSD?
I don´t remenber somethink about this...
Image program is inside SSD or need to get one?
Nothing holds new SSD? In HDD versions, happens the same?
JKK, what about touch screen on HP Mini 1000?
I see an 10,2" (not Solderlees) on FidoHub.com.
The point is where solder cables...
Happy New Year, JKK!!!!!!

DjDiff said...

Did you ever test the dell mini 9 runcore SSDs as a primary ssd (replacing the 4GB one) on the eee 901?

JKK said...

DjDiff, yes. It works alone but not with anything on second slot.. I'm testing a hack and will report when ready..

Anonymous said...

are you going to test it on the acer aspire one?

Brook said...

is this the 5mm version, it should fit the Samsung Q1?
I keep checking the site and still a late January date for item to be delivered? Where did you get this unit?

JKK said...

Yep, 5mm... should be great on Q1. Steve will test it soon on his.

I got it for testing from RunCore.

Anonymous said...

Can you verify that this runs on 3.3V?

JKK said...

Yes, it runs at 3.3V

William said...

For those of you with the stock SSD, you can cure the scrolling issue JKK had in Firefox when a page loads by going into options, privacy and unchecking the "Keep my history for at least..." option. This prevents Firefox 3 from performing the write operation that appears as lag on slow-performing drives when a page is loading.

CJ said...

JKK -
What did you mean you bought the pre production one?

http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=Browse+By+Brand:RunCore:RunCore+1.8+inch+ZIF+SSDs

If i buy it from here do i get the mini usb plug thing to clone?

Karl said...

So will this be tested on the aspire one or are MDD coming up with another drive for that purpose. There are more aa1's out there now than eee's but we always seem to get left behind in the upgrades dept. :-(

JKK said...

CJ, i didn't buy it.. i got a for testing from RunCore..

The ones from MDD will have the usb for cloning.

Karl,

Karl said...

Karl, what :-p

Esse said...

Very nice work testing these things!

I didn't quite make out what it was that you took out of the machine and didn't put back in - some internal USB-thing?

Brook said...

thank's JKK, I think my Sony UX and The Samsung Q1 will get the SSD love. would love to see Windows 7 on the same device to see how well it does, alos on the Raon Everun, Windows 7 SSD very nice :)

Anonymous said...

The 16GB lists as 8mm height on mydigitaldiscount page; I thought the height was 5mm?? The height for the HP Mini 1000 Thanks!

AJ said...

Yeah, just wondering if an 8mm one would fit?

Joony said...

From what I gather, people have been installing the Samsung HS122JC, a 8mm HDD for their Mini 1000. So by that logic, the 8mm 128GB RunCore SSD should fit!

The next best question is, when are the pre-orders from MDD going to ship? I just put in my order for the 64GB SSD :) I noticed that the status changed from shipping first week of January to "early" January :(

JKK said...

yep, just tested, 8mm HDD fits fine..

And yes, all but 128GB are 5mm.. 128gb is 8mm

Anonymous said...

William, i love you.
Thanks for the Firefox-Scrolling-Problem-Fix.
That was freaking annoying.
Don't need to buy a fast drive now.

Thanks, dude!

Anonymous said...

HP Mini 1000 Netbook Compaq Mini 700 Netbook Maintenance and Service Guide lists the HDD measurements as Height 9.5 mm and Width 70 mm so it looks like the 128GB Runcore will fit....or am I mistaken?

JKK said...

yes, 128GB fits

Anonymous said...

i have a completely unrelated question... i have a runcore 64gb ssd in my touchscreen 901... i have it divided into two partitions. one is windows xp and one is windows 7 (i also have ubuntu on the 4gb internal ssd). windows 7 is lightning fast, but xp seems to have really slowed down. it is worse now then it was when installed on the internal drive. i do have a lot of programs on it, but i have it bare bones in msconfig startup. i tried running atto disk benchmarking but it just says "error could not find file benchtst.$$$". is there any problem with what i am doing or a way i can make it fast again??
Thanks a lot

William said...

No problem Anonymous!

Anonymous said...

how do you put the OS onto the drives?

crackhead said...

I'd like to repeat Esse's question above that hasn't been answered. There was an "internal" USB cable and jack that you removed to install this drive. Does this mean that you lose one out of two USB ports on the Mini 1000 if you install it? That's a big compromise, which will make my decision to do this much harder.

I'm gonna buy the MI (Ubuntu) version of the Mini 1000 once it's released, and apparently there's an special USB drive that sits flush in the case in that unit. I don't know where it's located, or if installing the larger SSD will affect this option as well. Any idea?

Fantastic video, by the way. Thanks!

Essjay said...

What is the best way to clone the standard SSD?

Anonymous said...

xp was the standard install and i used acronis to clone it onto the runcore ssd (yay for the slave usb). i then used a livecd version of ubuntu running from an sd card to install ubuntu on the 4gb internal ssd. then when the windows 7 beta came out i partitioned the 64gb runcore drive into a 40 and 20 with gparted. xp was left on the 40 and i installed 7 on the 20.... i dont see any problems with this but for some reason i has killed my xp preformance

crackhead said...

Just placed an order for an MI edition! Anyone have an idea how I can clone this OS (just Ubuntu) onto a RunCore SSD when I get it? Would a "dd" command do the trick?

JKK said...

Yes, you could just plug the usb on it to your devide and use dd..

Anonymous said...

crackhead and Esse--

The USB thing he removed is the "internal" USB slot the HP Mini 1000 has. This is in addition to the two "standard" USB ports it has. You can buy a special USB memory card from HP that will go in here, though I'm not sure why since SD cards fit just fine. In the future HP has said they will/might release WWAN cards for this slot or something. Otherwise I presume this slot is pretty useless. Obviously it isn't offered if you buy a Mini 1000 with a hard disk drive rather than an SSD.

JKK said...

yep... thanks for clearing it as i forgot.

DelSolSea said...

The big consideration would be this bad ass configuration:

HP Mini
128 Runcore SSD
2 GB Ram
HP installed 3G modem including OEM antenna installed behind LCD bezel

All we need now is larger capacity battery!

(Possible Power Film rollable solar battery charger.)

JKK said...

Thats a great setup!

Sadly there will be no bigger batteries for mini 1000 as the design wont let but maybe some 3rd party will make same battery with high cap cells...

William said...

JKK I was under the impression that HP was going to release a six-cell this month? It was supposed to be a wedge-shaped design that would make the device slope forward. Have you heard otherwise?

Andrew said...

Hey JKK great review! Your blog is great.

Question: are these RunCore SSDs MLC or SLC?

Thanks!

crackhead said...

According to http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/08/hp-mini-1000-six-cell-battery-spotted-by-mr-blurrycam/ there's a six cell battery for the Mini 1000 in the wild and almost ready for release.

Speaking of batteries, jkk can you speak to the power requirements of these RunCore SSD's in comparison to the stock SSD's or HD's? Will they burn more juice than a spinning platter?

AJ said...

@crackhead If anything, SSDs should use much less power due to the fact they _don't_ have a spinning platter. Exactly how much of a battery boost they provide remains to be seen, so I'd be interested in jkk's opinion too.

Bit the bullet and bought the 128GB RunCore. Can't wait until it arrives!!!

Anonymous said...

Am I correct that these RunCore SSDs should work in a Dell Latitude XT?

gato said...

JKK,

To be clear, in order to install the Runcore SSD, the internal USB connected flash module has to be removed as well?

Is this a space issue, the two just wont fit in the system at the same time?

Thanks for the help.

max26 said...

hi! wich model of ssd is possible to add to the internal mini pci-e slot of the mini?
thanks a lot!

Anonymous said...

How do these SSDs compare to the PATA/ZIF to CF adapters I see on ebay teamed with a fast 233x/266x CF card?

Anonymous said...

Sorry, i'm french and my english are bad .... :(

I have a Acer Aspire One A110,

Can i put this SSD in my AA1 ?

Anonymous said...

I have the hd model and, just to be clear, I should be able to install a ssd, right?

Anonymous said...

Anyone thats ordered one from MDD recieved theirs yet? They wont reply to my e-mails about the order I placed 2 weeks ago..

Anonymous said...

They keep pushing their ship date back, shady MDD, I demand an answer!

rabidsoggymoose said...

How is this a good drive? The small writes and reads are COMPLETE crap, meaning that RunCore probably decided to use the crappy JMicron controller that has already given hundreds of people system stalling problems when used as OS drives. Unacceptable. I for one would much rather get a 32GB Mtron and deal with the small capacity rather than live with all the stalling issues that this thing will produce.

JKK said...

Would be nice to see some proof with your talks Rabid...

I have been using these for weeks now without any "stalling issues"

rabidsoggymoose said...

You can prove this to yourself and the rest of us who are unconvinced by doing a follow up review:

1. Install Vista directly onto this drive from the Vista install disk. DON'T simply clone a working copy of Vista onto it. Drives with the JMicron controller consistently fail even a simple clean OS install because the latencies are too high. The resulting install will have lots of errors, if it even boots into it at all.

2. Extract a 5GB file and during the middle of extraction try to load up a webpage. Does it pop up instantly, or only after the extraction is done?

3. Create a 200MB archive and extract a 5GB archive at the same time. How well does your system run now? How many times does the system pause? What's the time difference between doing both at the same time and doing each on their own?

You can read up on other issues and tests here:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3403&p=7

rabidsoggymoose said...

Let me also add that I would LOVE it if the drive passed the above tests. It would be like salvation at hand for me. I've been extremely frustrated with the current crop of budget SSDs that all seem to have the JMicron controller and the accompanying performance and OS install issues. It's just that the depth of the initial review isn't enough to convince me (not enough hardcore multitasking and HDD intensive tasks like virus scan + extracting + everyday tasks at the same time).

In particular I am very interested in the Iometer test on 4K random writes that was done here:

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3403&p=8

and also the latency as you increase the number of outstanding I/Os.

JMicron controllers have latency up to 1 second for a depth of just one I/O. That's your lag right there, and it gets worse as you increase the depth.

JKK said...

1. done it many times, vista and windows 7 installs fine.. no errors

2. not a task for mobile computers which i use with these ssds

3. see no.2

Hardcore multitasking together with virus scanning and extracting at the same time are not for mobile computers!!

I review all devices and accessories here for mobility.

We use these SSDs on devices with single core cpus from 500mhz to 1.6ghz with 512MB to 1GB RAM... so Hardcore multitasking together with virus scanning and extracting at the same time can't happen anyway.

davepermen said...

the gain of ssd's should be, to be able to allow those tasks on mobile computers.. i can do those with ordinary disks on mobile computers with ease, i can do this even much better with an mtron ssd or similar.

an ssd should perform better than an ordinary drive, those don't.

and i still try to install vista, xp, win7 on the pcie version for asus eee. it is not possible, it always fails.

davepermen

Joony said...

rabidsoggymoose, that's if and ONLY if it uses the jmicron controller.

JKK, can you look closer at the 1.8" SSD for any chips on it with a jmicron chip on it?

rabidsoggymoose said...

JKK, you will be falling behind the times soon if you do not test such drives for multitasking performance. I'm running on an LG X100 with a C2D, 4GB RAM, nVidia dedicated graphics, and guess what? It's only 2.2lb with a 10" screen, certainly something that I would call as close to an ultramobile powerhouse as you can get with current technology. The only thing setting it back is its 1.8" PATA HDD. There are professionals out in the field who demand power in a mobile package. They will certainly argue that multitasking IS a requirement for mobile computers.

And I wouldn't call something like virus scanning while surfing or extracting files while surfing something that's not going to happen on mobile computers running Atoms and below. Virus scanning is, well, a requirement when you've been breached. Extracting is a requirement for some multimedia files. All things that these mobile computers should be able to do as portable work machines, simple netbooks, or lightweight multimedia machines. It's unacceptable for a machine to be able to do nothing else while these operations are in progress.

And really, how difficult is it to just run a few more benches and tests just for the sake of completeness?

With that said, the 2MB/s 4K write, while still flippin' slow, gives me hope that this drive is different because in the past the 4K writes have been abysmal. Your report that Vista installs just fine from a DVD also brings me hope that its latency isn't (that) horrible. But this is hope, not a confirmation.

Joony, yes, this is if and only if it uses JMicron. But ALL low-end MLC SDD drives have been using JMicron up to this point. Is this little thing from Runcore going to be the exception?

Anonymous said...

Another vote for the follow-up tests. Preliminary results look good, but people use computers differently. It would be good to know if the RunCore drive is really something special or just a cheap version of the other disappointing SSDs out there.

JKK said...

Yep, multitasking is required on many situations.

And yes, many of you demand power too.

The problem here is that I'm not following nor testing highend sub notebooks, so I don't have access to C2D, 4GB RAM, nVidia equipped devices.

On my videos, I said " shese SSDs are perfect for UMPCs and netbooks " so mayde not for highend subs? I don't know.. The speed of these SSDs could still be slowing faster devices but for sure not Atom or VIA based PCs.

I will do some more tests later, but please understand that the main thing on my tests is to show how much faster or slower the device i'm testing goes with added SSD etc. If I can feel the difference is huge, there is no point of going into deep details with these devices.

Even 10 inch netbooks are a bit "out of scale" here at jkkmobile. My own intresses are on MIDs, UMPCs and on the smallest netbooks ( 8,9 inches, less than 1kg )

Please show me what king of test you would like to see and where I can get the sw/settings. ( I briefly checked out iometer and i have no clue of the setting.. )

Anonymous said...

Get the Windows binary of Iometer from the downloads section of www.iometer.org. Install, start Iometer. Your system name should appear in the topology box on the left side, select it and the targets box on the right should show drives available for testing. Check the box next to the drive to test. The red slash through the drive means it hasn't created the test file yet. It will do this automatically when the test starts and fill up the free space on the drive with it. Select the Access Specifications tab and click the New button. Increment the Transfer Request Size to 4K, leave the random slider at 100% random, move the read/write slider to 100% write. Name the test if you wish, and select OK. Select the new test in the far right box, and add it to the tests to be run. At this point, you're ready to go, hit the green flag, a dialog will pop up for where to save the CSV results file. It will take a while to create the test file, and it will show Preparing disk while this occurs. You'll automatically go to the results tab, where you might want to move the slider to 5 or 10 seconds to get results updates. After a few minutes of running, report the results, particularly total I/Os per second, average I/O response time, and maximum I/O response time. You can use the test setup time to bound the test further if you're feeling ambitious. Thanks for indulging us :)

Anonymous said...

I guess the Total MB/s result from above would also be interesting.

rabidsoggymoose said...

Yeah, definitely thanks for indulging us. And while I understand that your focus is on UMPCs and MIDs, you are still reviewing a computer component that can be used in any number of different systems.

1. The IOmeter test should be a good one if you can figure it out with the help of the above post.

2. Also try and do the #2 thing that I outlined above:

2. Extract a 5GB file and during the middle of extraction try to load up a webpage. Does it pop up instantly, or only after the extraction is done?

I own a Kohjinsha SH8 running a 800MHz A110. I frequently find myself doing the above operation (extracting a 5GB video file that's been archived while browsing the web waiting for it to get done extracting). I see this as totally within the realm of a UMPC.

The JMicron issues aren't really about throughput (the 2MB/s thing) but really more about latency, small cache, and not being able to handle multiple I/Os as a result.

rabidsoggymoose said...

Quote from Anandtech:

"With the JMicron based solutions, if you try and write too much to the drive (and trust me, it won’t take a lot) and the buffers get full, the controller tells the system that it’s not ready to write more data and you get a pause.

When you cause the JM602’s internal buffer to overflow, your system runs in bullet-time. Applications take much longer to launch and close, windows take longer to appear, and there are distinct pauses in anything you want to do that involves the disk. Want to send an IM? Well, that writes to an IM log - you can expect a pause before you can send your IM. Loading webpages is the worst, reading from and writing to the cache wreaks havoc on these cacheless MLC drives. Just for kicks I tried loading AnandTech while I was extracting a 5GB file on the SuperTalent 60GB MLC, it took over 10 seconds for the website to load. Once the JM602 was free to fulfill the read request, the website just popped up - but until then it was like my DNS was failing. It’s a lot like what happens to your notebook if you try and do too much, the disk quickly becomes a bottleneck.

Thankfully, as we've already seen, this problem is only limited to JMF602 based MLC drives. The SLC drives and the Intel MLC are totally fine, so while I'll include these problematic MLC drives in today's comparison, let me state now that I would not purchase one.

JMicron's roadmap shows a new controller next year with an integrated ARM core as well as support for external DRAM, which could alleviate these problems."

Well, it's technically "next year," so here's to hoping that it's a new controller.

3. I also second the request to open this up and see if you can spot the JMicron chip:

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/storage/Intel/SSDlaunch/images/jmicron.jpg

Joony said...

JKK, based on the photo of the 1.8" SSD from MDD, all you need is a Torx screwdriver to open it. You can get one at your local hardware store pretty cheaply. Please look for the JMicron chip!

Alex said...

MDD now reports all the drives are backordered until mid-February. Hope that means they got a shipment and fulfilled some orders.

JKK said...

iometer test done like on your instructions

4k random write:

total I/Os per sec: 469.4

total MBs per sec: 1.89

average I/O responce time: 2.15

max I/O responce time: from 24 ( short test ) to 1060.5 ( longer test period )

Test was done on HP Mini 1000, XP, on C drive.

..and yes, it has JMicron's chip inside.


.. if you want, i can do this live today at 21:30 CET

Alex said...

Ouch, that max response on the longer test is certainly indicative of what Anandtech was poking at. Are the other figures also from the short test? I noticed the JMF602 has a sata II interface, so if it uses that chip, our only hope of different performance might come from a pata/sata converter bottleneck. Thanks for the test JKK. It might be worthwhile to figure out a repeatable test with iometer since the Anandtech article talks about this causing annoying lags with things like IM'ing and browsing, which I think we can all agree are valid UMPC tasks.

JKK said...

other figures are from long test.. they stay the same no matter how long i test..

i did about 20 tests...

..there are no lags on browsing or any other use. The original ssds on HP, Acer, Dell and Asus were cousing lags.

My typical use is browsing ( 3 to 5 tabs on ff ) email, pdfs, image and video editing, skype, video broadcasting and videos ( youtube, mediacenter stream and online tv ).

The difference ( original vs runcore ) on use is huge... if i read the anandtech numbers right, runcore ssds perform better than samsung SLC ones?

Joony said...

Maybe RunCore is using some sort of updated JMicron controller chip? Can you list out the markings on it? Some photos of the 1.8" SSD opened up would be nice.

luckyauto said...

by jkk
"The difference ( original vs runcore ) on use is huge... if i read the anandtech numbers right, runcore ssds perform better than samsung SLC ones?"

yes , i totally agreed jkk said it , i also wonder samsung SLC ( expensive ) cant beat the runcore...

the reason is the i/o controller chip set ,it play very import roles in writing and reading from the flash memory , some even can do the multi writing ( like RAID 0 ) , may be a reason .

JMicron chip from taiwan , one best the fast and best controller , i heard the RUNCORE producer and planner is from military hi tech ... ..

let say , if using SLC with faster i/o controller , may be can hit double speed of runcore result ?

rabidsoggymoose said...

Thanks so much JKK for doing this. I think that the results are very promising.

total I/Os per sec: 469.4: This is very, very good. It's quadruple the I/Os per second of Samsung SLC drives and over 100X the value of traditional MLC drives using JMicron JMF602.

total MBs per sec: 1.89: Again, this is still very good. 4X that of Samsung SLC and 100X that of previous JMF602 MLC drives.

average I/O responce time: 2.15: VERY good. 4X faster than Samsung SLC and hundreds of times faster than previous JMF602 MLC drives.

max I/O responce time: from 24 ( short test ) to 1060.5 ( longer test period )

The 1060.5 ms MAX for longer test period doesn't bother me that much. The only requirement for this to happen is if ONE write out of hundreds took this long (I mean, it's the MAX latency encountered, it could just be one write here and there.). It's not surprising that this number doesn't change the longer you run the test. I think the average I/O response is what's important, and that spec is incredible.

Anandtech did say that JMicron was coming out with a new chip this year. Does the chip on this Runcore still say JMF602 on it, or is it a different model number? It'd be great to identify it so that people can know what to look for in the future.

Anonymous said...

MDD has not recieved any of their drives yet. Update from Runcore is that there is a delay of some sort..

JKK said...

it is JMF602... I also tested now their upcoming SATA SSD ( secret one, not published yet )and got similar ( even a bit better ) results...

614
2.42
1.6
5.5 on short and 755 on long wait

btw. about delay, I got info that they are opening new factory right now, so it might be reason for delay.. I understood MMD is getting new stock next week..

rabidsoggymoose said...

Did there happen to be TWO JMF602 chips? The new G.Skill Titan SSD drives fix the stuttering issues despite still using JMF602 chips by have TWO of them onboard, tied to each other in a SATA configuration, thereby lowering the load on each chip and alleviating latency. Wondering if Runcore is using the same tech or some other clever way of working around the weaknesses of the JMF602.

Alex said...

JKK, do you have any other, non-RunCore, SSDs that might make use of a JMF602 you could test with iometer that might help provide some confidence that we're stressing the drive similar to how Anandtech did? A huge thanks for all this testing too!

JKK said...

I didnt see 2 ...

.. I don't have any other right now.

Joony said...

My 64GB 1.8" RunCore SSD just shipped from MDD, eta Tuesday, can't wait to give it a shot on my dual core tablet Latitude XT.

I'll definitely get some pics of it and open it up.

On the JMicron controller, Anandtech did an in-depth interview today, a good read: http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=14004

So now the big question, is RunCore using the new JMF602B, vs the old A model? Jkk, can you see the revision on the chip?

Alex said...

Great link Joony, it certainly sounds like these must have the B rev chip. If MDD had these in stock, I probably would have placed an order already, but the lack of instant gratification is making me put it off until more data comes in. Please report back on your findings.

JKK said...

yep, looks like B rev chip.. there is a B on it.

rabidsoggymoose said...

It might not be so easy to visually identify the Revision B chips:

Anandtech's JMF602 chip photo (Note a B on the lower right, this is what JKK might have seen?). Anandtech supposedly reviewed a Revision A chip considering their poor results.
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/storage/Intel/SSDlaunch/images/jmicron.jpg

Bit Tech's picture of the G.Skill Titan JMicron chips, which have been confirmed by JMicron to use the Revision B chips (Note the B on the lower right as well):
http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2009/01/g-skill-titan-256gb-ssd-review/6.jpg

You'll note that both Rev. A and B have a B on the chip. Rev. B chips look like they don't have a "JMF602B" blatantly written on them.

Anonymous said...

bad news. I couldn't get the 64GB ZIF 1.8" runcore ssd to be recognized by my laptop. Neither my Dell Latitude XT nor Fujitsu U810 could. both says no hard drive detected.

but the built-in usb works. and when I hooked up with an 1.8" usb external enclousre and then connect to laptop, the SSD works. what might be wrong?

Alex said...

What's the make and model of the original drives in the laptops? Is the ZIF ribbon cable in the USB enclosure and on the laptops the same?

Joony said...

Anonymous, are you sure the zif ribbon cable is inserted all the way?

Anonymous said...

Seeing the same thing on my Mini 1000 with the 32GB ZIF 1.8 drive. USB works, but connecting to the ZIF, the drive doesn't show up in the BIOS. Checked the cable several times, even tried it "upside down" in case i was mixing things up. Nada.

I'm 100% certain the cable is inserted fully. ZIF cables are all the same right? Is there any chance that there needs to be some kind of special cable?

Anonymous said...

I am having the same issue with my 64GB and my Mini 1000. The hard-drive light comes on and stays on at boot, with the drive never showing up in the BIOS. Did I just spend $200 for this thing to not work?

Anonymous said...

I am having the same problem. I received the Runcore 64gb 1.8 SSD yesterday and have not been able to get my Fujitsu p1620 to recognize it. USB works fine (I was even able to clone my disk via usb) but the ZIF connection will not work. Same as above--will not show up in BIOS either.

Alex said...

Ack, why are so many people having trouble?! We know this should at least work in the Mini 1000, per JKK's demo. I'm still curious of the make and model of drives being replaced. It seems there's a difference in the thickness of the cable used between Hitachi and Toshiba drivers (Toshiba uses a thinner cable). Probably worth double/triple checking that the cable is fully inserted and secure.

Anonymous said...

I have used several different cables on many different computers and enclosures with no effect, the ZIF connection on the SSD is not working. USB works fine, but that is irrelevant! I am really considering sending mine back now.

JKK said...

Sounds really wierd ... i'm getting a sample from the same shipment on monday so i will of course test immediately..

I had no problems with the early sample.

Anonymous said...

I've played around with it for hours. For my situation, it is not that the cable is not inserted enough. It only goes in so far before the ribbon cable deforms. In addition, I notice on the runcore zif connector, the cable does not stay in place very well. On my toshiba HD, friction is enough to hold the cable in place. On the runcore, the connection seems very loose.

(also, I couldn't even get the ssd to work with an enclosure, unlike others)

I've contacted MDD and hopefully they can send me a replacement.

Joony said...

This may be obvious, but you guys have flipped the locking latch thing to secure the ZIF cable, right?

Anonymous said...

I had the same problem with the runcore 128gb ssd in my HD mini 1000. I tried putting the cable in every which way and was sure I had it seated. Although the USB connection works fine the zif connection does not and the drive is not recognized in the bios.

Also WARNING....the 128GB Runcore does not really fit in the Mini 1000. Even removing all cushions from the case the drive is a little too tall and the keyboard will not seat well in the upper right corner. Do not try any of the 8 or 9 mm thick SSDs in the HP Mini...

This is very frustrating....I am awaiting a 64GB from MDD to see I have any more luck with that.

Anonymous said...

Joony, regarding the latch, mine doesn't seem to lock at all. It's just a loose latch/hinge that swings open on my ssd. Is there some kind of technique to lock it?

rabidsoggymoose said...

"On my toshiba HD, friction is enough to hold the cable in place. On the runcore, the connection seems very loose."

I don't think the connection being loose should be that big an issue. The ZIF connection means Zero Insertion Force, so it should be relatively loose until you lock it with the latch.

But the drive not being recognized by so many (including even the HP 1000) is very disheartening news. Hope Runcore fixes this ASAP or else I'm going to have to go for the Mtron.

Alex said...

It may actually be a LIF connector on the Toshiba, that's what my MK8009GAH claims to have. Supposedly they're interchangeable though.

Anonymous said...

Yeah...this is whack. MDD and RunCore have some explaining to do. I don't think I have heard of anyone who got theirs to work from this week's shipment. Mine is on backorder til the next shipment, and I'm wondering if I should cancel...

Anonymous said...

Just curious if everyone who is having trouble with the RunCore SSD is upgrading the HD version of the Mini 1000?

I picked up the 32GB RunCore SSD for my HP Mini 1000 (1033CL - 60GB HD) and ran into the same issue upgrading. SSD is not recognized by the BIOS. My SSD does function via the USB cable as others have mentioned.

The one JKK upgraded in the video was an SSD version and the zif cable appears to be a bit different than the HD version, could just be the angle of the camera shot though. From my understanding the zif cables should all be the same but I have no way to confirm this as I only have the HD version.

As a side note, the cable is loose on the SSD side because of how thin it is. Since the cable is one-sided you can compensate for this by adding a thin strip of scotch tape on the backside of the cable on the SSD side. This allows the zif to better grab the cable and ensures the contacts meet. However, the drive is still not recognized.

-S.

Anonymous said...

No, I am upgrading from the SSD version, the difference between the two is whether the Internal USB slot is in the way or not. Regardless, the cables and connections are the same.

luckyauto said...

sorry to hear , the runcore ssd cant be regconiseed by many other machine.......firstly is the hp mini , i though is bios locked (Bad HP , always do the bios locked ) ..
now fujitsu , dell also report , not recognised , i believe problem will be on runcore ssd problem , may be is socket or ic chip. runcore may be lack of QC test.
and rushing to deliver the order to meet the need.
till today , still wondering wait JKK runcore sdd tested without any problem ?

Anonymous said...

Does it work on MacBook Air which is ZIF and 5mm?

Anonymous said...

Does it work on Fujitsu P1610? I assume I have to use the zif adapter.

Lotozai said...

Ok folks, the thread at http://myhpmini.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=163&start=36
has a Runcore/MDD spokesperson on it, Matt just said that the issue is an irregular ZIF connector that Runcore used. Adapter cables are in the works. Check that thread for more info!

Anonymous said...

JKK, or any HP Mini 1000-1030 owners.. Does your keyboard-s touch the LCD when closed? Also does the LCD Rubber stops touch the base of the computer when closed? Just purchased this HP an hour ago and my keyboard is wavy, lid + keyboard looks like it touches each other, and the side Lid Rubber Pads never touch the base, unless you squeeze the two together.. I own a asus eee and the build Q is so much better then the HP? Unless my HP is defective? I had to trade in my Acer One today because it Quit Posting and the store didnt have another to replace it with. So An extra 100+ dollars and had to get this HP 1030nr. Even the build Q was better on the acer one, but I think it overheated for some reason? The fan would always stay running. Anyway thats the pasted, and I did love the Acer one, But it Died and now I dont trust them. The Acer Support was Unreal too. Thank G I could exchange it for this unit, besides the extra cost.

Joony said...

Lotozai, that cable sounds like its Mini 1000 specific, and leaves the rest of us other 1.8" drive users out in the dark :(

Anonymous said...

agreed...if this was a mistake, I hope they come up with a generic fix. The drive certainly wasn't advertised as HP-specific!

Alex said...

FWIW, I don't think the mini 1000 uses any kind of proprietary drive, so a cable that fixes it there should work for everyone... I hope.

Anonymous said...

the worrisome problem is that according to JKK's video, the HP zif cable is a very short one. On the Fujitsu, it is long (around 3-4 inches) and L-shaped. Hopefully, the fix is an actual adapter that will work with any cable...

Anonymous said...

JKK, you said you were getting an SSD from this batch that many are claiming to have issues with?

If so, sounds like if you try the new drive with your old zif cable you used for the video above, we may be able to isolate it to a faulty or incompatible zif cable.

Not sure if that will work, but let us know!

JKK said...

Yep, I will test and will let u know... possible do a new video or live event if needed..

i will get it tomorrow... customs wanted to test it first...

Joony said...

Just got an e-mail from MDD:

Dear My Digital Discount customers,
We regret to inform you that the latest batch of RunCore Zif drives, that were shipped out last week, may possibly have a problem with the connection. We are currently investigating this issue further and we will be sure to keep you contacted with the latest updates as we get more details.
At this point, we ask that if you have had similar issues with your Zif drive to please be patient as we are looking to correct this issue as quickly as possible.
If you have any concerns or questions, please do not hesitate to contact us at orders@mydigitaldiscount.com.
We truly apologize for this inconvenience and we thank you for your patience and understanding.
Sincerely,
MDD

Da Buzz said...

Thats not good. RMA a bunch of Drives or send out a bunch of new Zif cables. They don't say if its the cable or the connector tho.

Anonymous said...

Hey, anyone here have a chance to play and look at a Dell Mini 9? Want to know if it has any issues like Over Heating, BIOS Corruption "Like The Acer Aspire One, Mine did it with the lastest Bios, Don't want to worry about Recovering the bios every few weeks" - and Or build Q? If you had the choice, HP MINI 10in version, or the Dell Mini 9? I do own the HP MINI 10in "Feels Cheap to me still like it but not love it" and a Asus EEEPC. Like the Asus build better and it has mucho more batt life. 6 cell batt and small LCD.. Or just tell me what you think of the Dells build.. One thing about the HP is the LCD Viewing angle stops to short Its not a big deal. Thanks in advance

JKK said...

Just got mine.

The connector is now different than on my samples.

You need to use the cable that came with it and install it " the other way "

Check these pictures:

http://www2.jkkmobile.com/r1.jpg

http://www2.jkkmobile.com/r2.jpg

http://www2.jkkmobile.com/r3.jpg

Testing more now with other devices.

Anonymous said...

Good news! However, are zif cables a standard? That is, is the other end of the cable (that connects to the computer) the same on all computers or is this fix just for HPs?

JKK said...

On many they are standard, but not on all...

Tested now with:

Everun Note - ok

Fujitsu U2010/U820 - not ok

Anonymous said...

uh oh (Fujitsu p1620 owner). Thanks JKK

Chris said...

Jkk, will you be following up with a video?

rabidsoggymoose said...

Ok, I'm a bit confused. The ZIF connectors on HDDs should all be standard, right? For example, the Fujitsu U820, which doesn't work here, uses the Toshiba MK1214GAH 120GB HDD. I don't think that the MK1214GAH would be designed ONLY to work with Fujitsu systems, would it? If the MK1214GAH is universal, then that means that Fujitsu must use a proprietary cable that leads to a proprietary ZIF connector on the motherboard.

People who have the U820 (or another Fujitsu system): does the Runcore drive work with the ZIF cable that came with the Fujitsu?

JKK said...

" Fujitsu must use a proprietary cable that leads to a proprietary ZIF connector on the motherboard "

<-- yes, thats how it is. I have U2010 / U820 here.

I just talked with runcore and they understand the problems and they have started to fix it.

Right now the current 1.8 inchers can only be used on computers that use normal zif connector and let you swap the cable with the " twisted " one.

Al said...

Hello JKK!
Thank you for the video!
Just one question: Does your HP Mini 1000 wind down the ventilator with a SSD? Heard the HDD-Version being very loud...!?

Thanks
Al.

Lotozai said...

Just a question JKK,
is that ZIF cable you are using simply a normal that is long enough to be twisted around? Or is a special cable designed for "flipped" connectors? My Mini is still not reading my drive after using a cable long enough to twist like yours.... just curious.

Anonymous said...

It is a Twisted Zif cable so it has the leads facing up on one side and down on the other.

Anonymous said...

Who knows the Write life of a single block of the Runcore SSDs? It is all just the norm 10k wirtes which is just an estimate not a true real life test. Gonna go look for the pdf or such..

Joony said...

MDD just sent out another e-mail:

Hey everyone,
The Runcore problem has been fixed. We found that the ZIF connector on the Runcore SSD is conversed, so everyone needs what is commonly known as a twisted ZIF cable, it has the leads on the top of one end and the bottom of the other end. We will be getting these cables and shipping them to you as soon as possible.
We have already confirmed 100% that with this fix, these will work flawlessly in the HP mini 1000 and the Everun Note.
If your computer is not one of these two, here are some options:
1) If the ZIF connector in your computer is completely removable, we have confidence that the twisted ZIF connector will work fine, and we are more than happy to ship you one when we get them.
2) The new batch of runcore drives will work in all computers, so we are more than happy to issue you an RMA and replace it for you when the new batch comes in.
If you choose option 1, sit tight, because we will ship your twisted ZIF connector to you shortly. If you choose option 2, please contact Chris either by phone at 1-866-217-1800 (315-343-0090) or via email at orders@mydigitaldiscount.com.
We thank all of you for your continued patience and support of our store, and we appreciate you helping us make Runcore the name to look for when someone says SSD.
Douglas Hare
Mydigitaldiscount.com

I have to go for the RMA option for my Latitude XT :(

Anonymous said...

Are they talking about the regular cable that has real wires rolled up into a cable? If thats the case, Does the HP 1000 have enough room for a twisted wire? If its the wire I'm thinking about then I don't think it will. 20-30mm is all you have to play with..

Taylor said...

The cable is not the one like this picture

http://ii.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/5/c/eeefan/attachments/month_0901/20090129_79614efd0e824afaea68BYu5P9UOY353.jpg

Should like this:
http://ii.a.5d6d.com/userdirs/5/c/eeefan/attachments/month_0901/20090129_c68f31904fd2ededb2c9tD2bZR6DpH2v.jpg

Anonymous said...

JKK, just curious...why are you running your tests on only a 100MB test partition?

All we are seeing here is the file-system caching performance and the effect of the SSDs front-end DRAM cache. These tests have nothing to do whatsoever with the performance users will get in the real world.

If you are unable to run a full suite of application tests, here's a MUCH better benchmarking technique.

1) Use IOmeter (like Intel does for it's spec sheets). IOMeter was developed originally by Intel...FYI.

http://download.intel.com/design/flash/nand/mainstream/mainstream-sata-ssd-datasheet.pdf

http://www.iometer.org

2) test reads and writes SIMULTANEOUSLY so you can get an idea of what these things will do in the real world, where reads and writes are going on in tandem. I'd suggest 67%/33% Read/Write like Intel uses on their SSDs.

3) set the queue depth to no more than three, which is what perfmon will tell you is a "real world" workload. Do NOT crank up the queue depth to 32, as some reviewers will do, because those kinds of queue depths will never be seen in real-world applications.

4) use a test partition or file that is at least 1/3rd the capacity of the device, or at least 5x-to-10x larger than system DRAM, so you can see the performance of the device, not system cache.

5) when you then run a comparison test on a fast HDD, use the same partition/file size as you used for SSD.

You'll see a VERY different picture, one that looks like this...

http://www.intel.com/performance/mobile/sata/sata.htm

...where we now see that the best and newest (and most heavily hyped) Flash SSD "beats" an old, slow, worst-in-class, $45 HDD by a measly 16%.

http://www.intel.com/performance/mobile/sata/SSD_config.htm

I can't wait to see JKK and Intel start publishing tests against 2008 model best-in-class HDD! IDC says they are actually FASTER than even the best SSDs they tested, but their report costs $10,000.

Until then? Sign me up for Flash SSD!! I wanna pay 10X more per Gigabyte and get performance that's only 16% faster than a 3yr old $45 HDD!!!

Anonymous said...

JKK, I saw on runcore website that they are telling people that the new SSD gives 700% performance better than HDD, but Intel shows only 16% better than HDD.

700% is really hard to believe after seeing Intel results with sysmark. Is runcore lying? Do you know how they test so they can claim 700% faster?

rabidsoggymoose said...

We need to put this in perspective:

This drive is a 1.8" PATA / ZIF HDD. The machines that this drive is intended for will ONLY take 1.8" PATA drives.

It should not be compared to 1.8" SATA HDDs. It should not be compared to 2.5" HDDs. It should not be compared to 3.5" HDDs. It probably shouldn't even be fully compared to the 32GB Mtron 1.8" ZIF HDD because 32GB is as high as the Mtron goes. Runcore offers 64GB and 128GB which doesn't even EXIST in any other drives other than the Runcores.

In this case I would imagine the Runcore drives would handedly beat any and all rotary 1.8" PATA drives in real world usage, drives that were originally intended for iPods, not laptops.

But the tests that "Anonymous" posted a couple posts above would be interesting to see anyway.

Alex said...

Well said rabid. Also, a point on the extended iometer stuff, don't confuse filesystem testing with block testing. For filesystem, it makes sense to do test runs that can't be completely handled by the buffer cache. For block testing, which iometer is doing aiui, you can bypass the cache at the OS level, so as long as you're testing more than the cache on the physical disk, your numbers should be valid. It still sounds a lot more like the workload you might expect on a desktop than on something using a 1.8" drive though.

Joony said...

I finally just got my (bad connector) RunCore 64GB 1.8" SSD. So yeah, it doesn't work on the Latitude XT.

One side note is that when I hooked it up to the MicroUSB, I found some sort of Chinese edition XP installation on it.

Bad Q&A...

luckyauto said...

dont worry for all , i strongly believe JKK will test and give a full report for all of us.
JKK is capable to settle for it.

Anonymous said...

Regarding Runcore SSD being only 16% faster than an HD check this out and you will see that that is absolute absurdity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iayOh6kykU

I have seen the 904HD and it is slow as a snail. That computer with the Runcore SSD is retarded fast.

I run the slower PCI-e in my 900A and it is faster than any computer I have ever used. So please buy the 10K report so I can wipe my ars with it.

Pierre said...

Any update regarding the new cables?

Anonymous said...

Will this runcore ssd work as well on the mini?

http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/SPD/runcore-32gb-pro-pata-mini-zif-solid-state-drive-ssd---preorder-runcore-32gb-pro-pata-mini-zif-solid-state-drive-ssd--80000930-1231837253.jsp

It's the the PRO MINI ZIF SSD

Anonymous said...

I really want to purchase an HP Mini 1000 since (IMO) it is the best looking netbook around. However, I have 2 concerns.

1.) Has the SSD cable issue been finalized? Is it safe to buy the Mini + the SSD in the link or will I need additional cables?

2.) The SSD is on backorder... Is there another one which I can buy with similar performance?

3.) Would it be better to wait for a new HP Mini? I hear the next generation of netbooks is coming out. Battery life is not a big deal to me but performance is.

JKK said...

Mini zif would work on HP too but it's slower ( about 65 / 35 with low 4k write )

1. cable issue is ok..

2. they should be in stock soon ( week oe 2 )

3. New HP mini 2140 has same performance, but new ones coming in 2 months have option for higher ress screen... but current mini 1000 is the thinnest...

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your reply, JKK. However, now I am even more conflicted than before. HP Mini or Sony Vaio P? And if Mini, one now with 2GB/SDD or wait until the new one?

I hate technology :D I wish it would stop advancing so fast so I wouldn't feel sad when my product is outdated 9 hours after I get it.

Anonymous said...

Pardon my ignorance but how low is "low 4k write" speed?

I was also thinking of getting the mini zif RunCore, but not if it's noticeably slower than the 5mm one on backorder right now. Especially since they're the same price...

iPhoneBuddha said...

JKK, You are a great resource for information.
I recently bought a Mini 1030NR. The HP web site indicates the maximum RAM possible is 1GB which it already has. Any chance a 2GB might work? Also, after your great You-Tube video on replacing the SSD, I'm considering an upgrade from the 16GB installed to, perhaps, the 64GB RunCore 1.8 SSD. Any idea if this machine will accept this new memory? Thanks!!
Pete

JKK said...

2GB ram works fine...

iPhoneBuddha said...

JKK....OUTSTANDING! Now I'm excited about the SSD upgrade. I'll order the new one tonight.

iPhoneBuddha said...

JKK... I just installed the 2GB RAM on the HP 1030NR using a PC2-5300 667MHz stick. It WORKS!
I cannot forgive HP for telling me otherwise. BAD HP.
Thank you!
I've been told the 64GB RunCore SSD I ordered may be shipped this week. I'll keep you posted.

Random Sadfruit said...

I have an aspire one (ssd version) I am wondering if this is a possible replacement for the slow ssd.

Pierre said...

Thanks JKK for the update on the cable issue, my U820 will be pleased with a new drive. And so will I.

Now... I just need to mug a few elderly women to finance my desires. :D

Anonymous said...

Can I exchange my 60Gb HDD for the Runcore SSD? If so, do i need additional hardware/modifications? Cheers.

Anonymous said...

ok guys, how about upgrading the HD to SSD in a Samsung NC10, will it be similar to the HP Mini 1000 or the Dell Mini 9 where you can clone the HD through usb easily,

Nick said...

I'm looking for a little clarification here.. Sorry if this has been discussed..

I bought the HP Mini with the 8GB SSD. Consequently that SSD was bad (tried to install "real" Ubuntu, failed with HDD errors). But I digress...

So I bought the Toshiba mk1214gah 120GB drive. If I plug into an external enclosure the drive is seen by the BIOS. But if I plug into the zif connector on the motherboard, it's absent.

I tried putting the drive in upside down, that didn't work either. Any clue what I'm doing wrong?

glasairmell said...

After reading this "how to" it inspired me to buy a 64 gig 1.8" Runcore for my Q1UP-V. Hard drives fail at altitude.

Yesterday (Feb 25 09) I spent 3 hours wondering what I was doing wrong to make the drive not work. Finally I found a post on the MacRumors forum. The drives MyDigitalDicount are currently shipping will only work in a Mini HP 1000 because of the pin layout.

So if you are having problems, that is why. You will have to wait until the next shipment, which I am going to do. I do want to point out the MDD is providing good customer service on this.

Mell

Jollytommy said...

People that want to use Runcore 1.8 mini zif with a Acer One please check here

http://www.runcore.com/bbs/forum_posts.asp?TID=42

Some people are having the Acer One BIOS no read the Runcore chip at boot.
Check the site for the work around

JesD said...

JKK - I got my RUNCORE 1.8 32GB recognized on my BIOS, fresh install of XP from HP mini recovery disc, but its slower than my stock SSD!
The windows progress bar wrpas around 8-9 times at boot up. My stock did 1 1/2 - 2. The RUNCORE is busy when I first use IE for about 20 seconds and I cant do nothing else. Im also getting random hang ups of about 10 seconds where I can do anything else ( 2-3 times an hour ). Shutdown is way slower to. I have done NOTHING else but fresh install of XP. Can you please address this with your test ( confirm or unconfirm ) Its soo bad that I went back to the stock SSD

JesD

Anonymous said...

These drive are like rocking horse crap! I can't get hold of one anywhere ..they're either on backorder or out of stock. Can anyone post a url where I can find one?
JR

JesD said...

Im just looking one that works as promised..

CSJ said...

Thanks JKK. Your in-depth test and analysis really help me to decide and upgrade my HP mini to the Runcore ssd for the sake of performance gains. All I need now, is to wait for a good looking 6 cell battery for my mini and it'll be a perfect little machine! Kudos!

Trin said...

cool video JKK, all the important details are there!
I see you also are great in following up our questions on the board, kudos for that!

Here is my question - how does the battery life with the runcore ssd compare to the original ssd or (even better) hdd. perhaps people that have already upgraded can chime in on that question
Cheers,
Trin

Anonymous said...

this increases the "memory" right? as in the place where all things are saved to, with the c drive and such?

Weston said...

Hey JKK I have the HP 1035 NR which is pretty much your laptop but its the 60gb 1.8" HDD. So if I do this will the 1.8 " case for the 60gb HDD be a perfect fit for the new Runcore SSD?

Weston said...

Oh plus also is there any way to remove the annoying HP Mini Swirl Wallpaper when it boots up. Its the wallpaper that shows before the logon screen its kind of annoying.

Anonymous said...

Hey guys, dont waste you time with runcore. You can pick up a much faster Mtoron drive from ebay. I paid $159.99 for a 32gig shipped directly from Korea.

Anonymous said...

Correction "Mtron"

JesD said...

Well my first RUNCORE failed..whcih I waited a month for.....
I waited almost 3 more weeks to get a replacement on Friday.......
Ill try this one out and see what happens...
Ill let you guys know but if this doesnt work, forget RUNCORE..\

Oh did I mention its been almost 2 months since I ordered my 64GB? and I still havent received it....

JesD said...

Anyone provide some good links to MTrons??? And do they have a 64GB verison?

JesD said...

Got my replacement RUNCORE and it still sucks....slow on the bootup.....random SSD activity that wont let me do nothing for 15-20 seconds....I give up...
Im looking to go to MTron or the Runcore PRO ( non case )...anyone have experience with these?

Anonymous said...

I have a mtron in my hp mini ..works great. I bought it on ebay from Korea $159 32gig. I had to buy a hard drive case with a mini usb for $14 to transfer the image from one hard drive to another. Only problem i had with installation was that the zif cable needed a little bit of 'force' to insert it into the hard drive.

JesD said...

I am trying the RUncore Pros ( non cased ) to see if those are crap like the 1.8" (cased ones ).
Im really disappoited in JKK. As far I know, he HAS NOT addressed the MANY MANY issues alot of that bought RUNCORES becuase of his video are experiencing. I would have at least expeted an update detailing the problems, alternatives, etc

JKK said...

JesD,

I don't know anything more about the defected production round than anyone else...

.. so how could I update anything?

All I know that they are making new ones as they were not working as they should... mine was because it turned out to be prototype from different production round.

Anonymous said...

Hello. Has anyone had any experience with Samsung's 64GB SSD # MCCOE64GEMPP ? I'd like to go up to a 64GB SSD and it seems that they are the only ones out there with SLC rather than MLC in that size. I've seen them on ebay for about $400. JKK, have you had any experience with these?

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Anonymous said...

Sure I saw this asked earlier but cant see a direct response; if you have the 60GB hard drive version, then how much quicker will the SSD be - the original vodeo compared a 'small' SSD with a bigger one and it was noticabley quicker. But is it really worth the extra money given it is a significant proportion of the purchase price. Nikodemus

Шлёма said...

So what finally about AAO A110 compatibility? Does Runcore SSD work with this netbook?

Haughty Spirit said...

Hello, I am interest in the SSD.
I lived in Korea. And I use the HP 2710p
Do you know compatible my laptop with the SSD?
If the ssd have good compatible, I try to purchase.

Jason R said...

I am also looking to see if this drive will work in my HP 2510P. It appears to be the same connector type.

Anonymous said...

Does anybody have one of the Internal USB cables that they want to sell? I really want to buy one. Please post if you do and I will buy it from you. Thenks, -I am Shawn, you can email me at, sftp@cox.net

JR said...

DUDE WHOEVER MENTIONED THE SCROLL ISSUE I LOVE YOU!

JesD said...

I think an updated version on this RUNCORE 1.8 on the Mini 1000 is due. One that addresses the MANY MANY problems reported with this drive.....
Stuttering, slow slow bootups, etc etc.
Ive personally been through 2 RUNCORE 64 1.8s and 2 RUNCORE 64GB Pros with no success.....
Im not blaming you for the errors...just saying that you should address this in your video since I know alot of people based their expectations on your video...including myself

Anonymous said...

Does the 2.5" works at hpmini 1000?

JesD said...

No its too big...-Thats what she said

Lexa Flasher said...

Thank you for excellent video of swapping out HD on HP Mini 1000.

Anonymous said...

I just tried the install of a MTRON 1.8" 32GB SSD into my Mini 1030NR. First of all, as was mentioned earlier, the ribbon cable had to be, ahemmmm, persuaded into the new SSD. BUT, more importantly, the SSD ZIF slot is slightly off center so it can fit into the Mini's space correctly HOWEVER this places the SSD upside down and the cable must then be TWISTED. Sure, the SSD can be "forced" to fit the other way but its not "right". Some velco under the SSD helped to level everything so the keyboard wasn't effected. FYI guys. I'm returning the MTRON....maybe.

Anonymous said...

I installed the MTRON 32GB SSD last night into my Mini 1030NR. I found a tutorial online and had NO problems other than the extra effort to insert the FPC into the SSD ZIF. The MTROM label faces you so the offset connector isn't an issue. Some padding under the SSD did indeed keep everything level so the keyboard remained flat. Man is this thing fast...less than 45 sec to boot and about 7 sec to shutdown.

Anonymous said...

nice video but i saw this in YouTube. Its an SSD that's FIFTY TIMES FASTER than RUNCORE and it is very expensive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3eFgClKGMc&feature=fvsr

i'll be ordering runcore ssd next month. =)

Anonymous said...

Photofast G-Monster 1.8" ZIF V3 is announced with 12MB/s 4kb writes. http://www.photofast.tw/forum/page01.asp?id=105

Brad said...

Finally received my 128GB Runcore SSD. It took 3 months (baskordered). Installed it into the HP Mini 1030NR. The drive came with a trial copy of Acronis for WIndows and SuperDuper for Mac. Cloning was easy. Opening the HP was as easy as your video showed, installing the drive was a little more difficult. The alignment of the zif connector on the production drive is offset from the motherboard. IT took many tries to get it to fit without pulling out the cable. FInal result... The HP is now a dream! WHat a difference the speed makes. The drive size also means I can install all my software without using an extrernal drive. Kudos for you :-)

Brad said...

In reflection, If I used the longer cable provided with the drive kit(vs. the original cable), The install would have have been easy. Didn't realize the cbles can be bent to fit without damaging.

BusyNonprofitMgr said...

I'm pretty pleased...after a few months waiting and lots of scary posts about the RunCore SSD, I received my RunCore Pro I ZIF 1.8" 32GB SSD. The installation was as easy as JKK's video, except as warned by other posts, the ZIF cable needs to be FIRMLY inserted into the SSD slot. On my first install, the SSD was not recognized by the system. I tried again after replacing the ZIF cable with the same length ZIF cable that was provided in the RunCore kit. I really had to pinch it firmly to insert into the SSD ZIF slot. Booted right up the second time (Yay!). Really glad the kit comes with a USB drive case and cable that can probably be used with any similar SSD, and also includes a custom 4-pin to USB cable that only works with the RunCore -- this made the cloning process a breeze. Once the HP Mini booted up successfully on the second try, I could see the difference immediately. The browser puts up web pages faster with no lag, and FINALLY my MS Outlook mail setup is usable. The system used to hang up on these apps, but no more. I'm a happy guy.

wrn112 said...

JKK,

Will this 1.8" runcore work in my dell mini 12? Thanks for doing all these tests/evals. this is great info!

Anonymous said...

I own a HP mini1030nr with 2GB. The operation with the stock 16SSD is very similar to that of your testing with the stock 16SSD.

Then I install Ramdisk of 512MB; re-config the IE8 Temporary Files and the Cache of Firefox 3.5 in the Ramdisk; Temp/TMP of the local user in the Ramdisk.
Temp/TMP of the System remain unchanged.

This will reduce the "write and erase" cycles to SSD. At the same time it will improve the write life of the SSD.

There is practically no improvement in booting-up.
But there is a hugh improvement in the speed of web surfing and practically as good as that of yours using Runcore SSD.

However, to improve the boot-up time and lag in opening application, Runcore SSD is still an optimal choice.
Even if using faster SSD, it is still a good idea to use the Ramdisk/Temp technique.

Anonymous said...

does hp use a sata II or ide ssd?

JKK said...

ide

Anonymous said...

Plan on buying the 64GB RunCore ProIV. Will it work for my HP Mini 1010nr?

Anonymous said...

Be careful here. I installed a 128 GB SSD and now get blue screen several times a week. 0xF4, 0x7A, 0x3. I can force the error when running defrag. Always happens at 7%. XP and Diskeeper 9 defrag routines. I ran GRC SpinWrite on the SDD and the disk checkout good for hardware issues... Is there a driver problem? Submitted a report to RunCore, but never got a reply.

Anonymous said...

Defrag SSD = bad idea

Evad said...

FYI, After a 6 month wait from MDD I received my RunCore IV 64g SSD ZIF today. I was able to clone it and get the original drive on the new SSD. When I went to install it in my HP 1000 I was having problem with the comp seeing the hard drive. The instructions that come with the runcore are very vague.

Check out the 2 videos on youtube for visual directions. http://www.youtube.com/mydigitaldiscount

This resolved my issue.

Anonymous said...

I'm putting together a Vaio P purchase on Conics. Assuming RunCore is better quality than standard Sony SSD.

I could have Sony 256GB SSD for $2000+ USD
I could swap HDD with RunCore 64GB SSD and save $300!

I don't mind using memory stick if I ever need to.

Good idea?

Hansmiyoko said...

How does he remove the "internal" USB slot the HP Mini 1000 has? I just received the same RunCore Pro 32GB, and I can't remove the internal USB slot by hand as he did. Are there any screws that I need to remove first?

Anonymous said...

hi there you right my hp net books use runcore ssd first one uses a run core 16 gb ssd then the other a run core 32 gb ssd

Anonymous said...

Just installed the RunCore 64gb SSD. Acronis cloning required Norton to be dissabled. Otherwise no probs. The SSD DOES fit into the factory case for mounting with no prob. Also upgraded RAM to 2gb. The tests are accurate. Blinding speed for this HP Mini 1000. Highly recommended. Kind of wish I'd goe for the 128gb version but at $430 it was too rich for my blood and i have enough storage for my apps. Don't hesitate on this installation.

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